Interview with Michelle Phelps – The Majority Report

This is the first time I listened to a podcast from “The Majority Report”. The interview was with Michelle S. Phelps, professor of sociology at the University of Minnesota, to discuss her recent book The Minneapolis Reckoning: Race, Violence, and the Politics of Policing in America. The interview begins at the 20:15 minute mark and can be access HERE. The interview ends at the 48:00 minute mark.

The podcast topic is what happened with policing in Minneapolis, MN. and police reforms more generally.

To be clear the Minneapolis Mayor and legislature (or any municipal executive and legislative branch) can end policing at anytime they want. This is unless police are part of the municipalities (or State) constitution, charter, or some other legislative prohibiting the dissolution the police department. The bottom line is that if the Mayor and Legislators have the votes they can put a end to policing in their municipality. This is true across America. Phelps said that many of the legislatures wanted to defund/dissolve the Minneapolis PD. Knowing that the Minneapolis government could have moved forward and cancelled police funding or more radically dissolved the police.

Why didn’t the Minneapolis government eliminate the police? Phelps said that Minneapolis has a large base of community activism which is highly coordinated. The “activism majority” leaned towards defunding or eliminating the police. It should have been easy for the Minneapolis government to defund or eliminate the police. Phelps said that people that vote most often were against the idea to reduce or eliminate the police and this influenced government officials.

What happened is that the rhetoric about the issue of defunding or dismantling the police eventually the turned into reality. Therefore the Minneapolis government had to stop being controversial or edgy and had to do what was the best for Minneapolis, which is keep the police and maintain funding.

There is no other municipal agency or other organization that can replace the police to fulfill it’s mission. Schools, Mental Health Services, Department of transportation, etc. none of these organizations can replace the police. Phelps said that police are only useful for being present at scene of a potential crime (deterrence) or to make arrests (but arrests are bad). Phelps forgot that police are authorized to use of force (most of the time the threat of force) which is necessary to make persons acting outside of societal norms to comply. There is no other organization better equipped, trained, or with authority than the police.

Not Worth the Risk: Why US Cities Should Rethink Transit Fare Policing

The authors of the article want readers to believe that the police saw the offender enter the subway without paying the subway fare and the police simply shot the offender. A careful reading of the article highlights the following points by the authors: $2.90 isn’t worth killing a person. Subway fare enforcement is a racist police crime-fighting strategy. Subway fare enforcement, doesn’t make sense economically. Transportation discrimination.

$2.90 isn’t worth killing a person.

True, killing a person for not paying a $2.90 subway fare is wrong. It is sad and tragic. However, what happened in the event discussed in the article (Article: “Not Worth the Risk: Why US Cities Should Rethink Transit Fare Policing”, See the news article HERE) is the police confronted the offender for entering the subway system without paying the fare and he pulled a knife on the officers. Brandishing a knife towards the police makes the offender a violent person. The offender posed a risk of deadly force to police and the persons on the subway. Through the offender’s actions he escalated his criminality from fare evasion, to resisting arrest, to menacing, attempted serious assault, or attempted murder. The police must react to a man with a knife on a subway car full of people. Keep in mind the offender could have simply co-operated with the police where the worst result would have been the offender released on an appearance ticket.

Subway fare enforcement is a racist police crime-fighting strategy.

The police crime-fighting strategy that was critized in the article and is always under attack by liberals is Broken Windows Policing. It’s ironic that Broken Windows Policing is labeled as a racist police strategy when, in the 1982 article by Wilson and Kelling, the authors explicitly acknowledge there is a risk of biased or racist actions by police when enforcing Broken Windows Policing.

“The concern about equity is more serious. We might agree that certain behavior makes one person more undesirable than another, but how do we ensure that age or skin color or national origin or harmless mannerisms will not also become the basis for distinguishing the undesirable from the desirable? How do we ensure, in short, that the police do not become the agents of neighborhood bigotry?
We can offer no wholly satisfactory answer to this important question. We are not confident that there is a satisfactory answer, except to hope that by their selection, training, and supervision, the police will be inculcated with a clear sense of the outer limit of their discretionary authority That limit, roughly, is this — the police exist to help regulate behavior, not to maintain the racial or ethnic purity of a neighborhood.”

**SEE Page 35 in Kelling, G. L., & Wilson, J. Q. (1982). Broken windows. Atlantic monthly, 249(3), 29-38.  (https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1982/03/249-3/132638105.pdf)

Enforcing subway fare evasion can keep out the type of person that has nefarious intentions. Many times persons stopped for subway fare evasion are wanted on warrants, were carrying weapons or contraband, (see Maple, J., & Mitchell, C. (1999). The crime fighter: putting the bad guys out of business and Bratton, W. J., & Knobler, P. (1998). Turnaround: how America’s top cop reversed the crime epidemic) or enter the subway system to commit a crime. When police apply Broken Windows Policing they don’t ignore other violations and crime. Police presence in the subway system and enforcement civil and physical incivilities (Broken Windows violations) the police are enforcing the most visible violations/crimes, respond to concerns of subway riders, and support the “Good Users” on the subway.

Subway fare enforcement, doesn’t make sense economically.

The cost of fare evasion may surprise the reader. Subway fare evasion diminishes the Quality of Life on the subway for ridership. There are also economic costs.

“Losses to the MTA’s operating budget are staggering, with nearly $700 million in revenue not collected in 2022 alone. This includes $315 million lost in bus fares, $285 million in subway fares, $46 million in bridge and tunnel tolls, and $44 million in railroad fares.
Fares and tolls account for a significant proportion of the MTA’s annual budget revenue — almost $7 billion a year. But every dollar lost to evasion impairs the MTA’s financial stability, threatens reliable transit for all New Yorkers, and increases the need for alternative revenue sources, including through larger fare and toll hikes.”
See: https://new.mta.info/blue-ribbon-report-fare-toll-evasion

It is rare to witness serious crime. Much of what drives fear are signs of social and physical disorder. If physical and social disorder along with minor violations of the law are left unchecked, more Good Users will refrain from using the subway system. These circumstances cause further decline of the subway system towards disorder, crime, and chaos.

Transportation discrimination.

The authors end their article claiming that there should be an end to ridership fees. That people should be provided with free transportation and should be able to ride the subway free of police harassment.
There are about an “Annual paid subway ridership was about 1 billion in 2022. Daily ridership fluctuates, but is currently running in the range of 3.4 million on weekdays” (See page 42 https://new.mta.info/blue-ribbon-report-fare-toll-evasion). There are about 4,000 officers assigned to NYPD Transit, probably some amount less than 4,000 are assigned to patrol the subway system. The police officers assigned to the NYC subway system are reassuring to the ridership. The only persons that are unhappy to see the police in the subway are the criminals.

Mayor’s task force on policing shares key findings from latest research | WFLA

Be patient. As of 8-30-20 There are technical difficulties until the 16 minute mark. I only caught he last few minutes were the Mayor is speaking Rhetorical taking points. Very disappointing. I hope they release the report.

Mayor Jane Castor’s Community Task Force on Policing released key findings in their report to enhance public safety citywide.
— Read on www.wfla.com/news/mayors-task-force-on-policing-shares-key-findings-from-latest-research/

Baltimore state’s attorney blasts police union’s ‘political rhetoric’ after video shows mob attacking officer | Fox Wilmington WSFX-TV

Baltimore’s state’s attorney, Marilyn Mosby, took aim at the city’s police union Saturday after union officials condemned a violent attack Friday night against a city police officer.Mosby accused the police union of “fanning the very flames they then call on me to put out,” saying union official …
— Read on foxwilmington.com/headlines/baltimore-states-attorney-blasts-police-unions-political-rhetoric-after-video-shows-mob-attacking-officer/